Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 17 — Intervention: England — 12 Jul 2007 at 13:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 17 — Intervention: England - 12 Jul 2007 at 13:45 - Division No. 180

I beg to move amendment No. 21, in page 11, line 33, leave out clause 17.

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 132, Noes 255.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLababsent no
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLabno aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLababsent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)absent no
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)absent no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)absent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian StewartEcclesLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLababsent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLab (minister)absent no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)absent aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Chris MoleIpswichLab (minister)absent no
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)absent no
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLababsent no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)absent no
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDemabsent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Robert SymsPooleConabsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)absent aye
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)absent no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)absent no
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabno aye
Angela EagleWallaseyLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)absent no
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 644 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 293 voted the same way, with 23 voting in opposite ways. There were 60 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 268 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
293
(293 + 23 + 0.2x268)
=
293
369.6
= 0.793 = 79.3 %.


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