Comparison of Divisions: Post Office Closures — Commends the Government's action — 19 Mar 2008 at 18:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : Post Office Closures — Commends the Government's action - 19 Mar 2008 at 18:45 - Division No. 132

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • recognises the vital social and economic role of post offices, in particular in rural and deprived urban communities;
  • notes the decline in post office customer numbers in recent years and the financial losses of £174 million incurred by the network in 2007;
  • further recognises the effect of changes such as direct debit facilities and increased use of the internet for payment and communication;
  • commends the Government's action to support the post office network with investment of up to £1.7 billion up until 2011, including an annual subsidy of £150 million;
  • further notes that this subsidy did not exist under the last government and that without it thousands more post offices would be under threat; and
  • urges the Government to continue working with Post Office Limited to ensure a viable and sustainable network for the future.

This followed a previous vote rejecting a motion to suspend the closure programme during consultation.[2]

The debate is bisected by the announcement of a deferred division,[3] making it inconvenient to access on a single page.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no no
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent Conservative (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 17 voted the same way, with 440 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 142 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
440
(440 + 17 + 0.2x142)
=
440
485.4
= 0.906 = 90.6 %.


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