Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 105 — Extension of powers of non-legal staff — 6 May 2008 at 16:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 105 — Extension of powers of non-legal staff - 6 May 2008 at 16:45 - Division No. 167

Lords amendment: No. 86

Motion made, and Question put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said amendment.- [Mr. Hanson.]

The House divided: Ayes 288, Noes 217.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Jeff EnnisBarnsley East and MexboroughLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)absent no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLababsent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Celia BarlowHoveLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLababsent no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLab (minister)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 24 voted the same way, with 396 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 178 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
396
(396 + 24 + 0.2x178)
=
396
455.6
= 0.869 = 86.9 %.


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