Comparison of Divisions: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Extension of period of detention to 42 days — Order — 11 Jun 2008 at 17:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : Counter-Terrorism Bill — Extension of period of detention to 42 days — Order - 11 Jun 2008 at 17:45 - Division No. 220

The majority of MPs voted to give the Home Secretary the power to allow police detention terrorist suspects without making any criminal charges of for up to 42 days. The Parliamentary procedures to safeguarding this power was established in the previous vote.[1]

Subject to those procedures, the sequence of events would be:

  • Order - The Home Secretary must make a Statutory Order reserving the powers of detention beyond 28 days.[2]
  • Application - The actual application for a detention period beyond 28 days must be made by an agent of the Director of Public Prosecutions to a senior judge.[3]
  • Information - The Home Secretary keep Parliament informed of the dates, times and locations of the persons detained under these conditions.[4]

As these two votes were two halves of the same measure (added to the body and to the Schedule of the Counter-Terrorism Bill), the votes by MPs should be identical. However, 10 Labour MPs who rebelled from their party in the first vote were absent in the second, and Neil Gerrard MP changed sides.[5]

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Opposite in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) was opposite to their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see all differing votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no no
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno no
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no no
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no no
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye aye

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