Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 43 on 14 Jul 2005 at 13:15

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Consumer Credit Bill — New Clause 1 — Data Sharing - 14 Jul 2005 at 13:15 - Division No. 43

After section 36F of the 1974 Act (inserted by section 50 of this Act) insert:

36G Data Sharing (1) In this section— 'authorised person' means a consumer credit business, or consumer hire business, or an ancillary credit business or any person acting on behalf of any such business. 'credit reference agency' means any person within the meaning of section 145(8) and who holds a licence in respect of such activities under Part III of this Act. all reference to 'debtor' shall include a reference to hirer and all references to credit shall include a reference to hire. (2) Any authorised person may, provided the conditions in subsection (3) below are satisfied, disclose to a credit reference agency, and the authorised person and credit reference agency may use, any information relating to the credit history or financial standing of any debtor of the authorised person, for the purposes referred to in subsection (4) below, notwithstanding any enactment or rule of law prohibiting or restricting the disclosure or use of, or authorising the withholding of, such information. (3) The conditions referred to in subsection (2) above are that— (a) the authorised person has notified the debtor that it may disclose the debtor's information under this section; and (b) the debtor has not, within 28 days of the date of notification, informed the authorised person in writing that he objects to such disclosure of his information. (4) For the purposes of subsection (2) above, the permitted purposes are— (a) vetting applications for credit or applications that can result in the giving of credit or giving of any guarantee, indemnity, or assurance in relation to the giving of credit; (b) verifying the identity of the debtor or any applicant for credit, for the purpose of or in connection with an application for credit, or for any other purpose relevant to the financial standing of the debtor, including the prevention of money laundering; (c) managing credit accounts including debt tracing and recovery; (d) preventing, detecting or apprehending crime, and for the enforcement of criminal law whether in England and Wales or elsewhere including the tracing and recovery of any sanctions imposed thereunder; (e) statistical analysis of credit risk assessment in a case where no individual is referred to by name or necessary implication; (f) any other purpose to which the debtor subsequently consents; and (g) any other purpose specified in an Order made by the Secretary of State for the purpose of this subsection (4). (5) In this section— 'application for credit' includes an application to refinance or reschedule an existing credit agreement; 'credit reference services' means the furnishing of persons with information relevant to financial standing of individuals, which is information collected by the person furnishing the purpose of so furnishing it.".'.—[Norman Lamb.]

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

The House divided: Ayes 106, Noes 234.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
Celia BarlowHoveLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)no absent
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ann CoffeyStockportLabno absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)no absent
Maria EagleLiverpool, GarstonLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)no absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
Andrew GwynneDenton and ReddishLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLabno absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabno absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Robin CookLivingstonLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Lababsent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 272 voted the same way, with 15 voting in opposite ways. There were 78 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 281 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
272
(272 + 15 + 0.2x281)
=
272
343.2
= 0.793 = 79.3 %.


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