Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 51 on 20 Feb 2007 at 18:31

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 1 — Preparatory expenditure - 20 Feb 2007 at 18:31 - Division No. 51

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

This Bill is a short, straightforward measure. It is a one-page, three-clause paving Bill designed simply to ensure the regularity and propriety of Government expenditure in accordance with Government accounting rules-no more, no less. As a narrow preparations measure, it obviously has nothing to say about the underlying policy, nature or operation of a planning gain supplement, although many Members have had much to say about such matters during our deliberations. In fact, I welcome that level of interest, along with the expertise demonstrated in all parts of the House, which has contributed and will continue to contribute to our thinking on the policy of a planning gain supplement.

It being one hour after the commencement of proceedings, Mr Deputy Speaker put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair, pursuant to Order [this day].

The House divided: Ayes 275, Noes 198.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye tellaye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Maria EagleLiverpool, GarstonLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
David HansonDelynLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)no absent
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)no absent
Bill OlnerNuneatonLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLabno absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithSheffield, HillsboroughLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 26 voted the same way, with 363 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 210 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
363
(363 + 26 + 0.2x210)
=
363
431
= 0.842 = 84.2 %.


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