Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 178 on 13 May 2008 at 16:36

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Points of Order — Education and Skills Bill (Programme) (No. 2) - 13 May 2008 at 16:36 - Division No. 178

I beg to move,

That the Order of 14th January 2008 (Education and Skills Bill (Programme)) be varied as follows:

Question put:-

The House divided: Ayes 268, Noes 166.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)no absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no absent
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 24 voted the same way, with 339 voting in opposite ways. There were 56 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 227 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
339
(339 + 24 + 0.2x227)
=
339
408.4
= 0.830 = 83.0 %.


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