Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 181 on 13 May 2008 at 20:45

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 6 — Learning and support contracts - 13 May 2008 at 20:45 - Division No. 181

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 140, Noes 259.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)no absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
David HansonDelynLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLabno absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)no absent
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent both
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 308 voted the same way, with 21 voting in opposite ways. There were 59 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 258 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
308
(308 + 21 + 0.2x258)
=
308
380.6
= 0.809 = 80.9 %.


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