Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 316 on 12 Nov 2008 at 14:18

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Business of the House - 12 Nov 2008 at 14:18 - Division No. 316

I beg to move,

That, at this day's sitting, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on:

Question put accordingly :-

The House divided: Ayes 258, Noes 223.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent no
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)no absent
Celia BarlowHoveLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)no absent
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)no absent
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Eric JoyceFalkirkLabno absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)no absent
David KidneyStaffordLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLabno absent
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno absent
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLabno absent
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 18 voted the same way, with 382 voting in opposite ways. There were 46 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 200 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
382
(382 + 18 + 0.2x200)
=
382
440
= 0.868 = 86.8 %.


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