Criminal Justice and Court Services Bill — Approved bail hostels, etc. — 12 Jun 2000

I beg to move amendment No. 122, in page 2, line 10, at end insert--

'(d) the education of offenders, in particular about the impact of crime on the victims of crime and the public.'.

We welcome the Minister's decision not to change the Service's name, but Part III of the Bill introduces a completely new nomenclature for community sentences . . . which the Committee--

considers both unnecessary and unhelpful. The new names (in particular community punishment order for community service order, and community rehabilitation order for probation order) offer an over-simplified account of their functions, and are likely to increase confusion about community sentences, and undermine rather than enhance public understanding of the work of the service.

the education of offenders, in particular about the impact of crime on the victims of crime and the public.

NAPO is opposed to the renaming of existing community orders. The phrase "probation order" has international resonance and recognition. Community service has a higher profile than the Home Office appears to believe.

When it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Amendment proposed: No. 123, in page 5, line 3, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".-- [Mr. Hawkins.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:--

The House divided: Ayes 122, Noes 289.

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Christine RussellCity of ChesterLabno
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Martin SalterReading WestLabno
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Dari TaylorStockton SouthLabno
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Claire WardWatfordLabno
Robert WareingLiverpool, West DerbyLabno
Dave WattsSt Helens NorthLab (minister)no
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)no
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Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLabno
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Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabno
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLabno
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLabno

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