Finance Bill — Rate of duty on beer — 2 May 2000

Considered in Committee.

I beg to move amendment No. 1, in page 1, line 19, at end add

'but shall cease to have effect on 1st August 2000 unless the Treasury has published an independent report setting out the effect of the present alcohol liquor duties on smuggling.'.

the numbers of people involved in the buying and selling of smuggled goods has risen to many thousands, possibly millions.

the Chancellor of the Exchequer announced that there would be an "independent evaluation of the strategy and measures deployed to tackle excise duty and fraud and evasion . . ."--

requested sight of Mr Taylor's report to the Chancellor so that we could assess whether the measures announced by the Chancellor to deal with tobacco smuggling fully met the evaluation's recommendations. We were also concerned to investigate how Mr Taylor had undertaken his review, given that witnesses from several key alcohol and tobacco trade and retail associations told us that they had not been consulted by him. We were told--

that the advice tendered by Mr Taylor was "personal and confidential" to the Chancellor and could not be made available to Parliament as a result.

We consider it unacceptable that the Treasury should commission a review of an important area of Government policy, and announce policy measures apparently based on the outcome of that review,

without allowing Parliament access to the review's conclusions. We recommend that the Chancellor make available for Parliamentary scrutiny the results of Mr Martin Taylor's recent evaluation of Government policy to tackle tobacco smuggling.

It is extremely disappointing that, as the Freedom of Information Bill began its passage through Parliament, Customs and Excise refused us access to a six year old report on a matter of departmental organisation central to our present inquiry, far removed from party political controversy or national security--

defence or foreign policy concerns.

I am afraid that the advice which Martin Taylor gave to me contained matters that were recognised to be operationally sensitive, the release of which, even in summary form, would give smugglers a valuable insight into Customs' strategy for tackling tobacco smuggling.

send out the correct health message.

academic evidence does not lend weight to the argument that reducing duty rates would discourage cross-Channel trade, legitimate or otherwise to the extent that government revenue would increase.

would affect large-scale smuggling which appears to be the major problem.

Question put, That the amendment be made:--

The Committee divided: Ayes 113, Noes 309.

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Robert KeySalisburyConaye
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Mr John TaylorSolihullConaye
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Mrs Virginia BottomleySouth West SurreyConaye
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Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLabno
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Mr Ronnie FearnSouthportLDemno
David WilshireSpelthorneConaye
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Mr Gerry BerminghamSt Helens SouthLabno
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Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLabno
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Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)no
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Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no
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Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLabno
Mr Martin BellTattonIndependentno
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Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLabno
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Anthony SteenTotnesConaye
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Claire WardWatfordLabno
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Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no
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David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsConaye
Miss Melanie JohnsonWelwyn HatfieldLab (minister)no
John HealeyWentworthLabno
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)no
Mr Peter SnapeWest Bromwich EastLabno
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetConaye
Mr Colin PickthallWest LancashireLabno
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye
Mr Tim CollinsWestmorland and LonsdaleConaye
Neil TurnerWiganLabno
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Mr Michael TrendWindsorConaye
Shaun WoodwardWitneywhilst Labno
Humfrey MalinsWokingConaye
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLabno
Mr Dennis TurnerWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no
Ms Jenny JonesWolverhampton South WestLabno
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye
Mr Dale Campbell-SavoursWorkingtonLab (minister)no
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLabno

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