Football (Disorder) Bill — Football matches: prevention of violence or disorder — 17 Jul 2000

Considered in Committee, pursuant to Order [this day].

I beg to move amendment No. 20, page 1, leave out lines 17 to 20.

The First Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means (Mr. Michael J. Martin):

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment No. 21, in schedule 1, page 9, line 4, leave out from beginning to end of line 21 on page 10.

MPs play a blinder but hooligan bill should go to extra time.

But more important, are two issues of civil rights.

Government Ministers must be more specific in the bill about the conditions under which people can be banned for behaviour which falls short of criminal actions. It is far too vaguely worded at present ("there are reasonable grounds for believing that a banning order would help prevent football-related violence or disorder"). Second--

the trigger which allows a police officer to arrest and detain someone for up to 24 hours, simply on the basis that their behaviour is such that immediate inquiries should be made--

must be totally rewritten.

The constable may give the person a notice in writing requiring him . . . to appear before a magistrates' court . . . and giving the constable's reasons for thinking that the condition is met.

A person may not be arrested under subsection (5) . . . after he has appeared before the magistrates' court.

at any time . . . caused or contributed to any violence or disorder in the United Kingdom or elsewhere

making a banning order would help to prevent violence or disorder at or in connection with any regulated football matches.

caused or contributed to any violence . . . ?

at any time . . . caused or contributed to any violence or disorder in the United Kingdom or elsewhere.

had taken all measures that other countries have taken.--[ Official Report , 19 June 2000; Vol. 352, c. 38.]

on the same grounds, or on any grounds arising from the same circumstances.

not to leave England and Wales before that time--

to surrender his passport to the constable.

Of the 391--

133 had convictions for violence, 200 for disorder, 38 for possession of an offensive weapon and 122 for criminal damage. I stress that those convictions were, in the main, not football-related.

97 per cent. of those arrested were not convicted or known football hooligans. That is of great importance in framing further legislative measures to tackle the phenomenon.--[ Official Report , 13 July 200; Vol. 353, c. 1182.]

caused or contributed to any violence or disorder.

Question put , That the amendment be made:--

The Committee divided: Ayes 58, Noes 211.

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Caroline FlintDon ValleyLabno
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Barbara FollettStevenageLabno
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Michael FosterWorcesterLabno
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John HealeyWentworthLabno
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Phil HopeCorbyLabno
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Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no
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Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLabno
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Tom LevittHigh PeakLabno
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Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno
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Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabno
Dr Mo MowlamRedcarLab (minister)no
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLabno
Mr Martin O'NeillOchilLab (minister)no
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Bill OlnerNuneatonLabno
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Nick PalmerBroxtoweLabno
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Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLabno
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)no
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Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLabno
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Terry RooneyBradford NorthLabno
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Mr William RossEast LondonderryUUPaye
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Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLabno
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLab (minister)no
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno
Martin SalterReading WestLabno
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow GovanLabno
Mr Malcolm SavidgeAberdeen NorthLabno
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLabno
Clare ShortBirmingham, LadywoodLab (minister)no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye
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Angela SmithBasildonLabno
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLabno
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLabno
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Mr Peter SnapeWest Bromwich EastLabno
Mr Clive SoleyEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)no
Rachel SquireDunfermline WestLabno
Mr Gerry SteinbergCity of DurhamLabno
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Ian StewartEcclesLabno
Mr Paul StinchcombeWellingboroughLabno
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye
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Mrs Ann TaylorDewsburyLab (minister)no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabno
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDem (front bench)aye
Mr Peter Temple-MorrisLeominsterwhilst Labno
Mr Gareth ThomasClwyd WestLabno
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no
Mr Simon ThomasCeredigionPCaye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLabno
Dr Jenny TongeRichmond ParkLDemaye
Mr Dennis TurnerWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLabno
Dr George TurnerNorth West NorfolkLabno
Neil TurnerWiganLabno
Derek TwiggHaltonLabno
Stephen TwiggEnfield, SouthgateLab (minister)no
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Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno
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Claire WardWatfordLabno
Dave WattsSt Helens NorthLab (minister)no
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye
Dr Alan WilliamsCarmarthen East and DinefwrLabno
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLabno
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLabno
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLabno
Mr Tony WorthingtonClydebank and MilngavieLabno
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabno
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLabno
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLabno

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