Comparison of Divisions: Loyal Address — Liberal Democrat amendment — rejected — 25 May 2005 at 18:59 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Loyal Address — Liberal Democrat amendment — rejected - 25 May 2005 at 18:59 - Division No. 3

The issue in this division was a Liberal Democrat amendment to the Loyal Address thanking the Queen for making the Queen's Speech. The amendment[1] would have added an expression of regret that the speech did not include various proposals which were favoured by the Liberal Democrats. The Liberal Democrat amendment indicated they would liked to have seen proposals:

  • For reform of the electoral system
  • Against compulsory ID Cards
  • For more police on the street
  • For a local income tax
  • For free long term care for the elderly
  • For simplifying the pensions system in a manner which promotes saving
  • To reverse the decision to bring in tuition, and top-up fees for university students
  • For specific measures to tackle climate change
  • To clarify the responsibilities of the Prime Minister, with respect to Parliament particularly in relation to a decision to go to war.

Those voting Aye were agreeing with the Liberal Democrats and calling for these items of legislation to be brought forward. Those voting No were disagreeing.

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Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLabno absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLabno absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLabno absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLabno absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)no aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLPabsent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessConabsent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLabno absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLabno aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
David TredinnickBosworthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLabno absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeConabsent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Charles WalkerBroxbourneConabsent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLabno aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLabno aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independentabsent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodConabsent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLabno absent
David JonesClwyd WestConabsent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabno absent
Ann WintertonCongletonConabsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLabno absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLabno absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabno absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Howard StoateDartfordLababsent no
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabno absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLabno absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)no aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLabno absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyConabsent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateConabsent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLabno absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HarperForest of DeanConabsent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLabno absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Peter ViggersGosportConabsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Adam HollowayGraveshamConabsent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabno absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordConabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLabno absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLabno aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamConabsent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
Douglas CarswellHarwichConabsent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadConabsent aye
Andrew DismoreHendonLababsent no
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLabno absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
James BrokenshireHornchurchConabsent aye
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLabno absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthConabsent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringConabsent aye
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLabno absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)no aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreConabsent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLabno absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLabno aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Robin CookLivingstonLabno absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLababsent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLababsent aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Philip DunneLudlowConabsent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldConabsent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordConabsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireConabsent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexConabsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabno absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthConabsent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyConabsent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLabno absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesConabsent aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabno both
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughConabsent aye
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireConabsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Justine GreeningPutneyConabsent aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastConabsent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLabno absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Conabsent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDemaye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastConabsent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDem (front bench)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthConabsent aye
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodConabsent aye
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert KeySalisburyConabsent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyConabsent aye
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLab (minister)absent no
Tony BlairSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabno absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamConabsent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponConabsent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUPno aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkConabsent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonConabsent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireConabsent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkConabsent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MainSt AlbansConabsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLabno absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLabno absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinConabsent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLabno aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonConabsent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesConabsent aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsConabsent aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLabno aye
Ed VaizeyWantageConabsent aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLabno absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughConabsent aye
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldConabsent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareConabsent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLabno absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonConabsent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Adam AfriyieWindsorConabsent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestConabsent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 283 voted the same way, with 31 voting in opposite ways. There were 58 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 273 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
283
(283 + 31 + 0.2x273)
=
283
368.6
= 0.768 = 76.8 %.


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