Comparison of Divisions: Loyal Address — 25 May 2005 at 19:15 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Loyal Address - 25 May 2005 at 19:15 - Division No. 4

This division was on the Loyal Address in response to the Queen's Speech. The Loyal Address thanks the Queen for making the speech to both Houses, and is in the following terms:

That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, as follows:
Most Gracious Sovereign,
We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Majesty for the Gracious Speech which Your Majesty has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.

Those voting Aye were approving the sending of this humble Address to the Queen, and therefore implicitly the contents of the Queen's Speech which were actually written by the Government.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)aye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLabaye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLabaye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLabaye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLabaye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLPabsent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessConabsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labaye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLabaye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLabaye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestConno absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLabaye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConno absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveConno absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLabaye aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLabaye aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Conno absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independentabsent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLabaye absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabaye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLabaye absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLabaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conno absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLab (minister)aye absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Howard StoateDartfordLababsent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabaye absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLabaye absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireConno absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLabaye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabaye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLabaye absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeConno absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLabaye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Peter ViggersGosportConabsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabaye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLabaye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLabaye aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Andrew DismoreHendonLababsent no
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyConno absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLabaye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchConabsent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLabaye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)aye absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLabaye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabaye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLabaye aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labaye absent
Robin CookLivingstonLabaye absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLababsent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLababsent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabaye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLabaye absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetCon (front bench)no absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireConno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabaye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireConno absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthConno absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Conno absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonConno absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Martin SalterReading WestLabaye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDemno absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDem (front bench)no absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodConabsent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabaye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLabaye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLabaye aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLabaye aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLabaye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLabaye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependentaye aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 29 voted the same way, with 434 voting in opposite ways. There were 33 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 149 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
434
(434 + 29 + 0.2x149)
=
434
492.8
= 0.881 = 88.1 %.


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