Comparison of Divisions: Finance Bill — Clause 11 — Gift Aid eligibility of museum charges — 13 Jun 2005 at 17:15 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Finance Bill — Clause 11 — Gift Aid eligibility of museum charges - 13 Jun 2005 at 17:15 - Division No. 9

Those voting Aye wished to weaken Clause 11 of the Finance Bill, which amended the Finance Act 1990 relating to the fact that museums who were registered as charities were able to reclaim tax back on their admission charges. Usually these tax concessions, known as Gift Aid, apply to charitable donations, and the Treasury considered saw the ability to apply it to entrance fees as a loophole, which this Clause was intended to close.

Inserted section 5H of Clause 11 says, in essence:

Gift Aid is only applicable on an admission tickets (a) that lasts at least one year, or (b) that cost 10% above the standard rate.

Those voting Aye wanted to lower the proposed limit on which ticket would qualify for text relief, from one year to three months.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Public Whip is run as a free not-for-profit service. If you'd like to support us, please consider switching your (UK) electricity and/or gas to Octopus Energy or tip us via Ko-Fi.

Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestConaye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Conaye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConaye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonConaye absent
Michael JackFyldeConaye absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyConaye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveConaye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireConaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conaye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Conaye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Peter BoneWellingboroughConabsent aye
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas CarswellHarwichConabsent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodConabsent aye
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaCon (front bench)absent aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Lee ScottIlford NorthConabsent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexConabsent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Charles WalkerBroxbourneConabsent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldConabsent aye
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthConabsent aye
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLabno aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLabno aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLabno aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLabno aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLabno aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLabno aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLabno aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLabno aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabno both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLabno absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLabno absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLab (minister)no absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabno absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLabno absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLabno absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLabno absent
Patrick HallBedfordLabno absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLabno absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLabno absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLabno absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLabno absent
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLabno absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabno absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLabno absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLabno absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabno absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabno absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLabno absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)no absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLabno absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLabno absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLabno absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabno absent
Neil TurnerWiganLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabno absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLababsent aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLababsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLababsent no
David ClellandTyne BridgeLababsent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLababsent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
Jim DevineLivingstonLababsent no
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
David HansonDelynLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLababsent no
Tony LloydManchester CentralLababsent no
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)absent no
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLababsent no
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLab (minister)absent no
Gordon PrenticePendleLababsent no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLababsent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Angela SmithBasildonLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLababsent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLababsent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
David WrightTelfordLab (minister)absent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDemabsent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDemabsent aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDemabsent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDemabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLPabsent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 644 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 389 voted the same way, with 23 voting in opposite ways. There were 56 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 176 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
389
(389 + 23 + 0.2x176)
=
389
447.2
= 0.870 = 87.0 %.


About the Project

The Public Whip is a not-for-profit, open source website created in 2003 by Francis Irving and Julian Todd and now run by Bairwell Ltd.

The Whip on the Web

Help keep PublicWhip alive