Comparison of Divisions: Welfare Reform and Incapacity Benefit — 22 Nov 2005 at 18:49 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Welfare Reform and Incapacity Benefit - 22 Nov 2005 at 18:49 - Division No. 104

I beg to move,

That this House is extremely concerned that the Government is failing to tackle welfare reform despite promises to do so; recognises that the pensions system is in crisis; notes that the Prime Minister believes the Child Support Agency is not suited to carry out the task that it has been given; believes that the New Deal has failed to deliver; notes that 116,000 more people are claiming incapacity benefit than in 1997 despite the Government's pledge to reduce the number; is deeply disturbed that the Incapacity Benefit Green Paper, which was due to be published in the summer and then the autumn, will not now be published until January; believes that this is due to continuing conflict between the Prime Minister and the Department for Work and Pensions on the desired content of the Paper; and calls on the Government finally to deal with the increasingly urgent need for welfare reform, for the benefit of users of the system and all taxpayers.

I beg to move, To leave out from "House" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"welcomes the Government's consistent commitment since 1997 to pursue welfare reform to create an active, enabling welfare state where rights match responsibilities; supports the recent publication of the Principles of Welfare Reform, which builds on the foundations laid out in A New Contract for Welfare, published in 1998 and the Department for Work and Pensions' Five Year Strategy of February 2005; commends the Government's achievements in helping 2.1 million children out of absolute poverty since 1997; recognises the success of the New Deals, through which over 1.2 million people have moved into work; notes that new claims for incapacity benefit have been cut by one third since 1997; further recognises the importance of the National Pensions Debate in creating a dialogue with the public and building a consensus on pensions reform; further welcomes the progress made on tackling disability discrimination, opening doors for disabled people to remain in or return to work; in contrast, condemns the shameful record of the Opposition who spent more on administering the Child Support Agency than they paid out in maintenance and who allowed those on unemployment benefit to hit three million twice whilst also trebling the numbers on incapacity benefits between 1979 and 1997, costing the taxpayer billions and condemning millions of people to a life of benefit dependency."

Question put, That the original words stand part of the Question:-

The House divided: Ayes 232, Noes 309.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLab (minister)absent no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLab (minister)no absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Maria EagleLiverpool, GarstonLab (minister)absent no
Clive EffordElthamLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
David HansonDelynLab (minister)absent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabno aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)absent no
Boris JohnsonHenleyConaye absent
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)no aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)absent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLab (minister)no absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLab (minister)absent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)no aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabno absent
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)absent no
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLabno absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Laura MoffattCrawleyLababsent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)absent no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)no aye
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)no aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUPaye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Angela SmithBasildonLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexConabsent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)no aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)absent aye
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)no aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)no aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLababsent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)no aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 403 voted the same way, with 35 voting in opposite ways. There were 33 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 175 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
403
(403 + 35 + 0.2x175)
=
403
473
= 0.852 = 85.2 %.


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