Comparison of Divisions: Criminal Defence Service Bill [Lords] — New Clause 1 — Power of Court to grant a representation order — 26 Jan 2006 at 15:00 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Criminal Defence Service Bill [Lords] — New Clause 1 — Power of Court to grant a representation order - 26 Jan 2006 at 15:00 - Division No. 144

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

I am grateful for the opportunity to present the new clause, having heard the earlier debate on the programme motion in which my right hon. Friend the Member for Bromley and Chislehurst (Mr. Forth) put properly in context what are important measures in the Bill. The new clause is of great importance in terms both of principle and practice. It is its importance in terms of practice that I wish to concentrate on in the next few minutes.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 145, Noes 234.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)absent no
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)absent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)absent no
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)absent no
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLababsent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLababsent no
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabno absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)absent no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLab (minister)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLab (minister)no absent
Clive EffordElthamLab (minister)absent no
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLab (minister)absent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)absent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLab (minister)absent no
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLababsent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLab (minister)absent no
Tony LloydManchester CentralLababsent no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLab (minister)absent no
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)absent no
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Edward BallsNormantonLababsent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLababsent no
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLab (minister)absent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLababsent no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Bill OlnerNuneatonLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLabno absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthConabsent aye
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)absent no
Brian JenkinsTamworthLab (minister)absent no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLababsent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)absent no
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)absent no
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian LucasWrexhamLab (minister)absent no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLababsent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 299 voted the same way, with 21 voting in opposite ways. There were 77 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 248 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
299
(299 + 21 + 0.2x248)
=
299
369.6
= 0.809 = 80.9 %.


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