Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 6 — Proceedings under scheme — 6 Nov 2006 at 16:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 6 — Proceedings under scheme - 6 Nov 2006 at 16:30 - Division No. 339

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said amendment, insists on Commons amendments Nos. 5 and 16, and proposes amendment (a) in lieu.

I think that it is with some surprise that we find ourselves discussing this amendment. I say that not with any sense of arrogance but because I genuinely feel that the House had a good-natured and constructive debate on the matter. We adopted a reasonable approach in response to concerns raised in another place and in this place in Committee and, as the listening kind of Government that we are, we proposed changes to the Bill, which responded to those concerns and which were passed by a considerable majority of the House.

Question put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said amendment:-

The House divided: Ayes 285, Noes 187.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)aye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLababsent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLababsent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conno absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLab (minister)aye absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian StewartEcclesLababsent no
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabaye absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)absent no
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)no absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLab (minister)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabaye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)absent no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Maria EagleLiverpool, GarstonLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labaye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Tony LloydManchester CentralLababsent no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)absent no
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabaye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLababsent no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDemabsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonConabsent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabaye aye
Angela EagleWallaseyLab (minister)absent no
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemno absent
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)absent no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 24 voted the same way, with 371 voting in opposite ways. There were 55 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 196 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
371
(371 + 24 + 0.2x196)
=
371
434.2
= 0.854 = 85.4 %.


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