Comparison of Divisions: Sub Post-Offices — Condemnation of closure plan — rejected — 10 Jan 2007 at 18:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : Sub Post-Offices — Condemnation of closure plan — rejected - 10 Jan 2007 at 18:45 - Division No. 22

The majority of MPs voted to delete the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • recognises the contribution that sub-post offices make in communities across the country;
  • pays tribute to sub-postmasters and postmistresses for the service they provide;
  • believes that sub-post offices have a key role to play in delivering new services in those communities for local councils, businesses and consumers;
  • condemns the Government's short-sighted plan to close 2,500 sub-post offices; and
  • urges the Government to allow sub-post offices greater freedom to develop their businesses.

A new motion voted into its place immediately afterwards.[2]

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)tellno aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)absent no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLab (minister)absent no
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLab (minister)no absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLab (minister)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLab (minister)absent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)absent both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)absent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLababsent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemaye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)no aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 433 voted the same way, with 26 voting in opposite ways. There were 41 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 146 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
433
(433 + 26 + 0.2x146)
=
433
488.2
= 0.887 = 88.7 %.


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