Comparison of Divisions: House of Lords Reform — Remove Hereditary Places once Reform has taken place — rejected — 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : House of Lords Reform — Remove Hereditary Places once Reform has taken place — rejected - 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09 - Division No. 71

The majority Noes rejected an amendment[1] to a motion that proposed removing the remaining hereditary peers in the House of Lords. The amendment would have meant that hereditary peers would only be removed after elected members took their place in the Lords. However, it was defeated.

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Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)no aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)no aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
George GallowayBethnal Green and BowRespectno absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourno absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)no aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)no aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)no aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)no aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)no aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLababsent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)absent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLababsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConno aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)aye no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLab (minister)no absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)no aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireConabsent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)no aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)no aye
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemaye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConno aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)absent no
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemaye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 422 voted the same way, with 40 voting in opposite ways. There were 25 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 159 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
422
(422 + 40 + 0.2x159)
=
422
493.8
= 0.855 = 85.5 %.


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