Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — New Clause 2 — Immigration service: welfare of children — 9 May 2007 at 17:00 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 2 — Immigration service: welfare of children - 9 May 2007 at 17:00 - Division No. 109

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

The House having divided: Ayes 226, Noes 294.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterConabsent aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthConabsent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)no absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)no absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLababsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLababsent aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLababsent no
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLab (minister)absent no
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)absent no
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLababsent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Angela SmithBasildonLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemaye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDemabsent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 408 voted the same way, with 25 voting in opposite ways. There were 46 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 167 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
408
(408 + 25 + 0.2x167)
=
408
466.4
= 0.875 = 87.5 %.


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