Comparison of Divisions: Armed Conflict — Parliamentary Approval — 15 May 2007 at 21:42 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : Armed Conflict — Parliamentary Approval - 15 May 2007 at 21:42 - Division No. 111

Those voting No rejected the motion before Parliament, which read:

This House supports the principle that parliamentary approval should be required for any substantial deployment of British Armed Forces into situations of war or international armed conflict; and, in the light of the Fourth Report from the Public Administration Committee, Session 2003-04, 'Taming the Prerogative: Strengthening Ministerial Accountability to Parliament', HC 422, and the Fifteenth Report of the House of Lords Constitution Committee, Session 2005-06, 'Waging War: Parliament"s role and responsibility', HL 236, calls on the Government to bring forward proposals to give effect to this principle, including mechanisms to ensure that the capability to react rapidly in emergencies is maintained.

As a result it was replaced with the new motion:

This House welcomes the precedents set by the Government in 2002 and 2003 in seeking and obtaining the approval of the House for its decisions in respect of military action against Iraq; is of the view that it is inconceivable that any Government would in practice depart from this precedent; taking note of the reports of the Public Administration Select Committee, HC 422 of Session 2003-04, and of the Lords Committee on the Constitution, HL 236 of Session 2005-06, believes that the time has come for Parliament's role to be made more explicit in approving, or otherwise, decisions of the Government relating to the major, or substantial, deployment of British forces overseas into actual, or potential, armed conflict; recognises the imperative to take full account of the paramount need not to compromise the security of British forces nor the operational discretion of those in command, including in respect of emergencies and regrets that insufficient weight has been given to this in some quarters; and calls upon the Government, after consultation, to come forward with more detailed proposals for Parliament to consider.

which passed automatically

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)no aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)no aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)no aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)no aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPno aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)no aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUPno absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)no aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)no absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLababsent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLababsent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)absent no
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Clive EffordElthamLab (minister)absent no
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLababsent no
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Rob MarrisWolverhampton South WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLab (minister)absent no
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)absent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLababsent no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLababsent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPaye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)no aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 412 voted the same way, with 30 voting in opposite ways. There were 40 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 164 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
412
(412 + 30 + 0.2x164)
=
412
474.8
= 0.868 = 86.8 %.


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