Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Further Education and Training Bill [L ords] — 21 May 2007 at 21:39 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Further Education and Training Bill [L ords] - 21 May 2007 at 21:39 - Division No. 124

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Our further education system has seen unprecedented investment and reform in recent years, and continued reform is vital if the United Kingdom is to become a country with world-class skills by 2020.

I beg to move, To leave out from "That" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"That this House declines to give a Second Reading to the Further Education and Training Bill [Lords] because it will introduce yet another expensive reorganisation of the learning and skills councils, further entrenching the management of vocational training through a regional structure; it will grant the Learning and Skills Council draconian new powers to dismiss college governors, principals and senior managers; and despite the recommendations of the Leitch Review of Skills it fails to address the UK's relatively poor performance in intermediate level vocational skills, the growing problem of young people not in education, employment or training, the declining numbers of learners in apprenticeships at all levels, and profound doubts about the timetable for the introduction of the new 14-19 specialised Diplomas."

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 137, Noes 296.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)no aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)absent no
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)no aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)no aye
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)absent no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)no aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)no aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Eric JoyceFalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)no aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)no aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)no aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLab (minister)absent no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)no aye
Chris MoleIpswichLab (minister)absent no
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)no aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Norman BakerLewesLDemabsent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)absent no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLab (minister)absent no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)no aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireConabsent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)no aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)no aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)no aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLab (minister)absent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDemno aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)no aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)no aye
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)no aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDemno aye
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)no aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)no aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)no aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)no aye
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabno aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)absent no
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)no aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemno absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 312 voted the same way, with 54 voting in opposite ways. There were 65 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 215 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
312
(312 + 54 + 0.2x215)
=
312
409
= 0.763 = 76.3 %.


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