Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 17 — Intervention: England — 12 Jul 2007 at 13:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 17 — Intervention: England - 12 Jul 2007 at 13:45 - Division No. 180

I beg to move amendment No. 21, in page 11, line 33, leave out clause 17.

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 132, Noes 255.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)absent aye
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Robert SymsPooleConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLabno aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabno aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabno absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)absent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)absent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)absent no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLababsent no
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLab (minister)absent no
Angela EagleWallaseyLab (minister)absent no
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLababsent no
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLab (minister)absent no
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)absent no
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLababsent no
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)absent no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
Chris MoleIpswichLab (minister)absent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)absent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLababsent no
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian StewartEcclesLababsent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDemabsent aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 644 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 293 voted the same way, with 23 voting in opposite ways. There were 60 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 268 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
293
(293 + 23 + 0.2x268)
=
293
369.6
= 0.793 = 79.3 %.


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