Comparison of Divisions: Opposition Day — [18th Allotted Day] — Penal System — 24 Jul 2007 at 19:17 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Opposition Day — [18th Allotted Day] — Penal System - 24 Jul 2007 at 19:17 - Division No. 196

I beg to move,

That this House considers that the Government's management of the prison system has become a national disgrace; believes that the Government by ignoring official projections of the prison population and failing to plan for sufficient capacity has allowed jails to become overcrowded, reconviction rates to rise and the Probation Service to become overstretched; further considers that the Government's resort to releasing prisoners early, including violent offenders, without risk assessment or accommodation checks is wholly unacceptable; notes that many of those released under the scheme have previously been refused release on Home Detention Curfew and that others have already re-offended when they should have been in custody; is concerned that offenders are also being transferred early to open prisons from which they can and do abscond at any time and that over 4,000 offenders released early on electronic tags have re-offended, committing over 1,000 violent crimes; further believes that the modest additional prison capacity announced by the Government will be insufficient; and calls upon the Government to halt the End of Custody Licence scheme and take immediate steps to ensure adequate prison capacity, the proper treatment and rehabilitation of offenders, and the safety of the British public.

I beg to move, To leave out from "House" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"welcomes the record of the Government which has since 1997 cut crime, reformed the penal system, invested in record prison places, created a legislative framework which provides tough and effective sentences, introduced risk assessment and offender management systems, introduced and seen ever increasing numbers of offenders complete accredited programmes, enabled record numbers of offenders to pay back to the community through unpaid work, ensured that offenders in the community who pose a risk to the public are recalled to custody, radically reformed the youth justice system and brought the prison and probation services together under the National Offender Management Service with a renewed focus on protecting the public and reducing re-offending."

Question put, That the original words stand part of the Question:-

The House divided: Ayes 156, Noes 355.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLabno aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLababsent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Nick BrownNewcastle upon Tyne East and WallsendLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Eric JoyceFalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)absent no
Tom LevittHigh PeakLababsent no
Tony LloydManchester CentralLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLababsent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Ian StewartEcclesLababsent no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)absent no
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)no aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)no aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)no aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)no aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)no aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)no aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)no aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)no aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)no aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)no aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)no aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)no aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)no aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDemno aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)no aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)no aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)no aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)no aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)no aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)no aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)no aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)no aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)no aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)no aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)no aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)no aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)no aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)no aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)no aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)no aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)no aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)no aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDemno aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)no aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)no aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)no aye
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)no aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 356 voted the same way, with 72 voting in opposite ways. There were 48 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 170 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
356
(356 + 72 + 0.2x170)
=
356
462
= 0.771 = 77.1 %.


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