Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Planning Bill — 10 Dec 2007 at 21:34 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Planning Bill - 10 Dec 2007 at 21:34 - Division No. 24

Question accordingly negatived.

Main Question put forthwith , pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on Second or Third Reading) :-

The House divided: Ayes 276, Noes 212.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConno absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyConno absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourno absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)aye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)absent no
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
David HansonDelynLab (minister)absent no
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)absent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)absent no
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)absent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)absent no
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLababsent no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLab (minister)absent no
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)absent no
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)absent no
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 19 voted the same way, with 382 voting in opposite ways. There were 44 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 201 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
382
(382 + 19 + 0.2x201)
=
382
441.2
= 0.866 = 86.6 %.


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