Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 1 — Sale of student loans — 23 Jan 2008 at 15:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 1 — Sale of student loans - 23 Jan 2008 at 15:30 - Division No. 52

I beg to move amendment No. 5, page 2, line 6, at end insert-

'(4A) Transfer arrangements may not confer on the purchaser the right to alter the repayment terms of sold debts.'.

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 213, Noes 288.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyConaye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDemabsent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLab (minister)absent no
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)absent no
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)absent no
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)absent no
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemaye absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian LucasWrexhamLab (minister)absent no
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 399 voted the same way, with 20 voting in opposite ways. There were 49 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 178 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
399
(399 + 20 + 0.2x178)
=
399
454.6
= 0.878 = 87.8 %.


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