Comparison of Divisions: Lisbon Treaty — Commons timetable for debate — 28 Jan 2008 at 21:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Lisbon Treaty — Commons timetable for debate - 28 Jan 2008 at 21:45 - Division No. 57

The majority Aye voters approved a Government 'programme motion'[1] restricting the House to set a timetable for debating the European Union (Amendment) Bill, which implements the Lisbon Treaty.

The debate will now take place over 12 allotted days (i.e. days selected for debate of this bill, as opposed to 12 consecutive days). On most days 4 1/2 hours are allowed for a motion that approves the Government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty in a specific policy area, followed by 1 1/2 hours when the House can debate any selected amendments relating to that area.

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Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no no
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyConno absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)aye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLababsent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConno absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 22 voted the same way, with 429 voting in opposite ways. There were 40 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 155 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
429
(429 + 22 + 0.2x155)
=
429
482
= 0.890 = 89.0 %.


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