Comparison of Divisions: Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty in terms of justice and home affairs — rejected — 29 Jan 2008 at 19:08 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty in terms of justice and home affairs — rejected - 29 Jan 2008 at 19:08 - Division No. 58

The majority No voters rejected an amendment[1] that would have disapproved of:

  • 'the Government's policy towards the Treaty of Lisbon in respect of provisions concerning fighting cross-border crime, justice, policing, human trafficking and asylum and migration policy.'

The Conservatives argued that they disapproved because:

  • 'the Treaty weakens the UK's ability to determine its own policy in these important fields [and...] abolishes the safeguard of the national veto in almost all remaining areas in justice and home affairs matters.'[2]

However, Jim Murphy MP argued:

  • 'The Government fundamentally respect national boundaries and borders, but it is clear that criminals and terrorists do not. That is why EU co-operation at this level is so vital. It is only by working with our European partners that we can better combat organised crime, terrorism and illegal immigration, that we can bring criminals to justice and that we can ensure rights and legal certainty for all EU citizens.'[3]

As the amendment was not carried, the House approved the Government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty in the areas of justice and home affairs.

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Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentno aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourno absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)aye no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)aye no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)aye absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)aye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)no absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabboth absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)absent no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)absent no
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDemno aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)no aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)no aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)no aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)no aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)no aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)no aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)no aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)no aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)no aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)no aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)no aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)no aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)no aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)no aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)no aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)no aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)no aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)no aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)no aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)no aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)no aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)no aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDemno aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)no aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)no aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)no aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)no aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)no aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)no aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)no aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)no aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDemno aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)no aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)no aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)no aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)no aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)no aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)no aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)no aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDemabsent aye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)no aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)no aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)no aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)no aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)no aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 362 voted the same way, with 76 voting in opposite ways. There were 43 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 164 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
362
(362 + 76 + 0.2x164)
=
362
470.8
= 0.769 = 76.9 %.


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