Comparison of Divisions: Business of the House (Lisbon Treaty) (No. 8) — 3 Mar 2008 at 16:19 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Business of the House (Lisbon Treaty) (No. 8) - 3 Mar 2008 at 16:19 - Division No. 107

I beg to move,

That the Order of 28th January be further amended as follows-

It being forty-five minutes after commencement of proceedings on the motion, Mr. Deputy Speaker put forthwith the Question, pursuant to Order [28 January].

The House divided: Ayes 276, Noes 198.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)absent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Nick BrownNewcastle upon Tyne East and WallsendLab (minister)absent no
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)absent no
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)absent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLab (minister)absent no
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)absent no
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)absent no
Phyllis StarkeyMilton Keynes South WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)absent no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemno absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDemabsent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)absent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 18 voted the same way, with 379 voting in opposite ways. There were 54 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 195 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
379
(379 + 18 + 0.2x195)
=
379
436
= 0.869 = 86.9 %.


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