Comparison of Divisions: Lisbon Treaty — Referendum (No. 2) — rejected — 5 Mar 2008 at 18:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Lisbon Treaty — Referendum (No. 2) — rejected - 5 Mar 2008 at 18:30 - Division No. 118

The majority No voters rejected an amendment[1] to the European Union (Amendment) Bill.

MP Austin Mitchell commented on the amendment which was the subject of this division stating:

  • Amendment No. 296 provides for an enabling power to have another referendum, so would that not satisfy the Liberal desire to have their in/out referendum?

The amendment was another mechanism by which some MPs tried to force a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. A previous attempt had also failed.

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Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
George GallowayBethnal Green and BowRespectaye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabtellaye absent
Dennis SkinnerBolsoverLab (minister)aye no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDemabsent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)no absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)aye no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)aye no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDemabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyConaye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDemabsent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDemabsent aye
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)aye no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)aye no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)no aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)aye no
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConno aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 431 voted the same way, with 24 voting in opposite ways. There were 28 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 163 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
431
(431 + 24 + 0.2x163)
=
431
487.6
= 0.884 = 88.4 %.


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