Comparison of Divisions: Points of Order — Education and Skills Bill (Programme) (No. 2) — 13 May 2008 at 16:36 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Points of Order — Education and Skills Bill (Programme) (No. 2) - 13 May 2008 at 16:36 - Division No. 178

I beg to move,

That the Order of 14th January 2008 (Education and Skills Bill (Programme)) be varied as follows:

Question put:-

The House divided: Ayes 268, Noes 166.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)absent no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)absent no
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLababsent no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)absent no
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)absent no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)absent no
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDemabsent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)absent no
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLababsent no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)absent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLababsent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUPno absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)absent no
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 24 voted the same way, with 339 voting in opposite ways. There were 59 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 223 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
339
(339 + 24 + 0.2x223)
=
339
407.6
= 0.832 = 83.2 %.


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