Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — New Clause 6 — Learning and support contracts — 13 May 2008 at 20:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 6 — Learning and support contracts - 13 May 2008 at 20:45 - Division No. 181

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 140, Noes 259.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)absent no
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDemabsent aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLababsent no
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)absent no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)absent no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)absent no
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)absent no
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLab (minister)absent no
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
David HansonDelynLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)absent no
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLababsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabno absent
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)absent no
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUPaye absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)both absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)absent no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)absent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)absent no
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 308 voted the same way, with 21 voting in opposite ways. There were 62 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 254 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
308
(308 + 21 + 0.2x254)
=
308
379.8
= 0.811 = 81.1 %.


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