Comparison of Divisions: Pensioner Poverty — Welcomes the policies of this Government — 4 Jun 2008 at 18:49 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Pensioner Poverty — Welcomes the policies of this Government - 4 Jun 2008 at 18:49 - Division No. 210

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • welcomes the policies of this Government to tackle pensioner poverty, which have lifted around two million pensioners out of absolute poverty and over one million out of relative poverty, and have led to spending of around £12 billion extra on pensioners compared with 1997;
  • recognises that pension credit allows pensioners to live with dignity and rewards those who have saved for their own retirement;
  • acknowledges the introduction of and increases to the winter fuel payment and further measures to ensure pensioners can keep warm;
  • notes the provision of free off-peak bus travel granting freedom to pensioners and ensuring that they are not isolated in their own community;
  • welcomes the long-term framework for pensions through the Pensions Act 2007, including relinking the basic state pension to average earnings and ensuring equality for women and carers with men by 2025; and
  • further welcomes the private pension reforms in the Pensions Bill which will enable individuals to take personal responsibility for their own retirement.

This had been substituted in place of an earlier motion that was rejected.[2]

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)no absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)absent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)absent no
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)absent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)absent no
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLab (minister)absent no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDemabsent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDemabsent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 23 voted the same way, with 397 voting in opposite ways. There were 61 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 164 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
397
(397 + 23 + 0.2x164)
=
397
452.8
= 0.877 = 87.7 %.


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