Comparison of Divisions: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Timetable — 10 Jun 2008 at 16:12 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Counter-Terrorism Bill — Timetable - 10 Jun 2008 at 16:12 - Division No. 214

The majority of MPs voted for a strict two day timetable [1] for the debate on the Counter-Terrorism Bill[2] in the chamber of the House of Commons.

This made the timetable that was agreed on earlier when the Committee Stage was scheduled more specific.[3]

The Committee Stage had 14 sittings, which can be accessed from here.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourno absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDemabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPno absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConno absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 22 voted the same way, with 419 voting in opposite ways. There were 48 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 156 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
419
(419 + 22 + 0.2x156)
=
419
472.2
= 0.887 = 88.7 %.


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