Comparison of Divisions: Opposition Day — [14th Allotted Day] — Sentencing Policy — 17 Jun 2008 at 21:51 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Opposition Day — [14th Allotted Day] — Sentencing Policy - 17 Jun 2008 at 21:51 - Division No. 224

I beg to move,

That this House is concerned that a failure to plan adequate prison capacity has led to the End of Custody Licence scheme and the early release of 26,000 prisoners; notes that the current rate of prisoner release is running ahead of initial projections so that an additional 5,000 prisoners will be released early in a full year; expresses grave concern that no decision on whether to suspend this scheme will be taken until 2009, at the earliest, when prison capacity reaches 86,000 due to the Government's delayed prison building programme; agrees with the Lord Chief Justice that early release schemes erode the sentences originally handed down; further notes the low levels of public confidence in community sentences; recognises the objections of local communities that prisoners released early on home detention curfew are being housed in over 150 residential areas, without consultation, under the Bail Accommodation and Support Service scheme managed by ClearSprings; further notes criticism of the Youth Justice Board for failing to meet targets on youth crime; further expresses concern over plans to link resources to sentencing through the creation of a Sentencing Commission; and calls upon the Government to introduce honesty in sentencing, cancel the End of Custody Licence scheme, suspend the Bail Accommodation and Support Service policy and take immediate steps to ensure adequate prison capacity in the interests of public safety.

I beg to move, To leave out from "House" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"welcomes the Government's record in cutting crime by a third, its provision of 23,000 more prison places since 1997, and its commitment to create a total of 96,000 prison places by 2014, demonstrating that public protection is at the heart of its strategy; further welcomes the Government's commitment to remove the End of Custody Licence Scheme when headroom allows; notes that the use of police cells is much lower than under the previous administration; further welcomes the tough and effective community sentences that have been introduced and the work done to increase public awareness of their role and effectiveness, and the further investment in intensive alternatives to custody to continue to build the confidence of sentencers in their effectiveness, as demonstrated by significantly reduced re-offending rates; notes in respect of the Bail Accommodation and Support Service that ClearSprings is required to consult the police, local authorities and probation to avoid inappropriate property locations; considers that there should be greater consistency in sentencing and the opportunity for a focused and informed debate on sentencing provided by the work of the Sentencing Commission Working Group on the potential for a structured sentencing framework; and further welcomes the reforms which have been made to the youth justice system including the strengthening of alternatives to custody".

Question put, That the original words stand part of the Question:-

The House divided: Ayes 147, Noes 320.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)absent no
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)absent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)absent no
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Laura MoffattCrawleyLab (minister)absent no
Bill OlnerNuneatonLab (minister)absent no
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)absent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)absent no
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)no aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)no aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)no aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)no aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)no aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDemno aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)no aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)no aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)no aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)no aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)no aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)no aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)no aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)no aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)no aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)no aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)no aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDemno aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)no aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)no aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)no aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)no aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)no aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDemabsent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)no aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)no aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)no aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 340 voted the same way, with 56 voting in opposite ways. There were 58 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 191 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
340
(340 + 56 + 0.2x191)
=
340
434.2
= 0.783 = 78.3 %.


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