Comparison of Divisions: Business of the House — 12 Nov 2008 at 14:18 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Business of the House - 12 Nov 2008 at 14:18 - Division No. 316

I beg to move,

That, at this day's sitting, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on:

Question put accordingly :-

The House divided: Ayes 258, Noes 223.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)absent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)absent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)absent no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)absent no
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)absent no
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLababsent no
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Eric JoyceFalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabaye absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLababsent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLababsent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Celia BarlowHoveLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDemno absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConno absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLababsent aye
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLababsent no
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPaye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabaye absent
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLababsent no
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
David KidneyStaffordLab (minister)absent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLabaye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)absent no
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 18 voted the same way, with 382 voting in opposite ways. There were 46 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 200 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
382
(382 + 18 + 0.2x200)
=
382
440
= 0.868 = 86.8 %.


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