Comparison of Divisions: Pensions Bill (Programme) (No. 2) — Clause 1 — Jobholders — 25 Nov 2008 at 17:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Pensions Bill (Programme) (No. 2) — Clause 1 — Jobholders - 25 Nov 2008 at 17:45 - Division No. 338

I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Question put, That the amendment to the Lords amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 220, Noes 286.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)absent no
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLababsent no
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)absent no
Michael FosterWorcesterLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLababsent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLabno absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLababsent no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDemaye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabno absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)absent no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabno absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLababsent no
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentno aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)absent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 406 voted the same way, with 23 voting in opposite ways. There were 50 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 167 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
406
(406 + 23 + 0.2x167)
=
406
462.4
= 0.878 = 87.8 %.


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