Comparison of Divisions: Opposition Day — [4th Allotted Day] — Skills and Further Education — 3 Feb 2009 at 18:46 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Opposition Day — [4th Allotted Day] — Skills and Further Education - 3 Feb 2009 at 18:46 - Division No. 29

I beg to move,

That this House regrets that the number of young people not in education, employment or training in England has grown from 686,000 to 850,000 since 2000, that the number of adult learner places has fallen by 1.3 million in just two years, and that the number of UK students enrolled at university is now falling; notes that current policies are hindering training opportunities by cutting support for second-chance students, placing too much emphasis on paper-based qualifications rather than raising skills, imposing too many bureaucratic obstacles on employers wishing to offer apprenticeships and freezing the further education capital spending programme despite the Prime Minister's commitment to bring forward capital projects; believes that providing improved opportunities to up-skill and re-skill is more important than ever given the challenges posed by the recession; and calls on the Government to boost the number of apprenticeships, provide more support to young people not in employment, education or training, help small and medium-sized employers access training, improve opportunities for adult learners, and introduce an all-age careers service.

I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from "House" to the end of the Question and add:

"commends the Government's efforts to boost the number of apprenticeships, provide more support to young people not in employment, education or training, and improve opportunities for adult learners and introduce an adult advancement and careers service; welcomes the real help provided to those affected by the downturn, including increasing the support available through the further education and skills systems; further welcomes the £240 million allocated to help those facing redundancy or newly unemployed; welcomes the additional £140 million to boost apprenticeships, the trebling of Professional and Career Development Loans, and making the Train to Gain programme more responsive, including through £350 million support for small and medium-sized enterprises; notes the Government's planned investment of £2.3 billion in renewing and modernising further education facilities over this spending review; commends its efforts to help colleges and universities become more responsive to the employer's needs, including the £50 million Higher Education Funding Council for England economic challenges fund, and to ensure the £175 billion public procurement budget maintains and strengthens investment in skills; further welcomes the simplification of existing systems; further notes that three million people access the skills system every year, with more 18 to 24 year olds working or engaged in full-time education compared to 1997; further notes the number of students in higher education in England is rising, not falling; and further notes that the Government will resist calls to cut skills budgets, as this would undermine the steps being taken to provide real help to business and individuals now."

The House having divided: Ayes 218, Noes 308.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConaye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConabsent aye
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)no aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)both aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabno absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabno absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLabno absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabno absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLabno absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
David CairnsInverclydeLababsent no
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)absent no
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)absent no
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
Nia GriffithLlanelliLab (minister)absent no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLababsent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Brian JenkinsTamworthLab (minister)absent no
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLababsent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemaye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 412 voted the same way, with 26 voting in opposite ways. There were 41 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 167 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
412
(412 + 26 + 0.2x167)
=
412
471.4
= 0.874 = 87.4 %.


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