Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 2 on 25 May 2005 at 18:45

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Loyal Address — Conservative amendment — rejected - 25 May 2005 at 18:45 - Division No. 2

The majority No voters rejected a Conservative amendment[1] to the Queen's Loyal Address. The amendment would have added:

  • regret that the Gracious Speech does not contain measures to address the major challenges the British economy now faces to ensure its competitiveness in the light of unprecedented global competition
  • further regret the absence of measures to bridge the skills gap so that the UK has the right skills for tomorrow's economy
  • deplore the failure to include in the Gracious Speech a credible programme for cutting the burden of regulation which stifles business and holds back entrepreneurs
  • condemn the absence of measures to ensure value for taxpayers' money in order to improve public services and remove the need for further tax increases
  • further regret the absence of measures in the Gracious Speech to tackle the pensions crisis to which Government policy has contributed, or to encourage savings to help give people greater security and dignity in retirement.

Those voting Aye were therefore supporting these criticisms; those voting No were disagreeing with them.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)no absent
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLabno absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Tony BlairSedgefieldLababsent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Robin CookLivingstonLababsent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Lababsent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye no
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye no
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye no
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 433 voted the same way, with 36 voting in opposite ways. There were 27 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 150 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
433
(433 + 36 + 0.2x150)
=
433
499
= 0.868 = 86.8 %.


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