Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 65 on 24 Oct 2005 at 18:50

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Railtrack - 24 Oct 2005 at 18:50 - Division No. 65

I beg to move,

That this House deplores the lack of openness and transparency of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Ministers at the Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions in their plan to restructure Railtrack; questions the Government's propriety in the method by which they sought an Administration Order for Railtrack; condemns their attempted intimidation of the Rail Regulator; abhors their cavalier and dismissive contempt for Railtrack shareholders; criticises the conduct of the Chancellor of the Exchequer's special adviser for usurping the proper role of Ministers; notes that the Government's approach to the entire project was dictated by the Chancellor; and considers this episode an example of disgraceful impropriety in the formation of policy and the execution of government decisions.

I beg to move, To leave out from "House" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"welcomes the judgement in the recently concluded Railtrack court case which, after weeks of evidence fully tested by cross examination, completely dismisses the claimants' allegation of wrongdoing on the part of Government; further welcomes the fact that the judgement exonerates entirely the way the Government responded to its growing concerns about Railtrack's financial position and the propriety of the process that led to Railtrack being put in Administration, including the Government's stance in relation to the Rail Regulator; notes that the judge described Railtrack's request for unlimited public funding and support, which was made in part to maintain its share price, as a "hopeless proposition"; and that there were good public reasons for the policy developed; congratulates the Government for bringing under control the situation which resulted from the previous Government's botched privatisation and putting ownership of the track into the hands of a not-for-dividend company operating in the broad public interest; and recognises the significant progress that is being made by Network Rail in improving performance on the railway and in bringing costs under control, in stark contrast to the management incompetence shown by Railtrack."

Question put, That the original words stand part of the Question:-

The House divided: Ayes 174, Noes 343.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Angela EagleWallaseyLab (minister)no absent
Clive EffordElthamLabno absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
David HansonDelynLab (minister)no absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Tony LloydManchester CentralLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithBasildonLabno absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Lababsent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye no
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye no
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye no
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye no
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye no
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye no
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye no
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye no
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye no
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye no
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye no
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye no
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye no
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye no
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye no
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye no
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye no
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye no
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye no
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye no
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye no
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye no
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye no
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 354 voted the same way, with 69 voting in opposite ways. There were 38 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 185 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
354
(354 + 69 + 0.2x185)
=
354
460
= 0.770 = 77.0 %.


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