Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 168 on 15 Feb 2006 at 15:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Terrorism Bill — Clause 1 — Encouragement of Terrorism - 15 Feb 2006 at 15:15 - Division No. 168

Those voting Aye removed a Lords amendment to Clause 1 of the Terrorism Bill

The original words of subsection 1(4) were:

It is irrelevant... whether the statement relates to the [a] particular act of terrorism... or of acts of terrorism... generally; and whether any person is in fact encouraged or induced by the statement.

The Lords had changed this to:

For the purposes of this [law] "indirect encouragement" comprises the making of a statement describing terrorism in such a way that the listener would infer that he should emulate it.

And those voting Aye in the Commons changed it back, before committing a number of other of their own changes listed at the bottom of the debate.

The dispute appears to be whether a statement which glorifies terrorism should be an offence, even if it has no effect and was not intended to have an effect on anyone's physical activity.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPabsent no
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent no
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no no
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)no absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Michael FosterWorcesterLab (minister)no absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Tony BlairSedgefieldLababsent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Lababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
George GallowayBethnal Green and BowRespectabsent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 20 voted the same way, with 461 voting in opposite ways. There were 21 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 144 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
461
(461 + 20 + 0.2x144)
=
461
509.8
= 0.904 = 90.4 %.


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