Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 198 on 21 Mar 2006 at 17:45

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Identity Cards Bill - 21 Mar 2006 at 17:45 - Division No. 198

I beg to move, That this House does not insist on its Amendments 22E and 22F but disagrees with the Lords in their Amendments 22G and 22H.

I should say, first, that I am very pleased that their lordships have now dropped their outright opposition to the designation power in the Bill by dropping their previous amendments Nos. 16 and 22. That is very good news and an important development. However, the amendments in lieu are not a real compromise as they would simply delay the power to link the issue of identity cards to designated documents, such as passports, until 2012. That is unacceptable and it would not be right to allow the other place to delay the implementation of legislation that it dislikes until five years have passed. That is a deliberate plan for delay and destruction of the process in the Identity Cards Bill.

The House having divided: Ayes 284, Noes 241.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent no
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Clive EffordElthamLabno absent
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)no absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
Helen GoodmanBishop AucklandLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLabno absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)no absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithBasildonLabno absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Tony BlairSedgefieldLababsent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Lababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 15 voted the same way, with 414 voting in opposite ways. There were 37 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 180 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
414
(414 + 15 + 0.2x180)
=
414
465
= 0.890 = 89.0 %.


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