Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 31 on 25 Jan 2007 at 14:00

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 5 — Conditions to be satisfied (No. 2) - 25 Jan 2007 at 14:00 - Division No. 31

'In section 43 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), for subsection (5) substitute-

"(5) The condition is that by reason of the complexity or length of the trial, or both, and their likely impact on the safety of the verdict, the interests of justice require that serious consideration should be given to the question of whether the trial should be conducted without a jury.".'.- [Simon Hughes.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Motion made, and Question put, That the clause be read a Second time.

The House divided: Ayes 190, Noes 278.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no absent
Ian LucasWrexhamLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLab (minister)no absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 380 voted the same way, with 18 voting in opposite ways. There were 57 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 191 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
380
(380 + 18 + 0.2x191)
=
380
436.2
= 0.871 = 87.1 %.


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