Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 47 on 7 Feb 2007 at 16:15

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Delegated Legislation — merchant shipping - 7 Feb 2007 at 16:15 - Division No. 47

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye no
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye no
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye no
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye no
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no aye
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no aye
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 414 voted the same way, with 24 voting in opposite ways. There were 41 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 167 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
414
(414 + 24 + 0.2x167)
=
414
471.4
= 0.878 = 87.8 %.


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