Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 65 on 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : House of Lords Reform — Support for bicameral Parliament - 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09 - Division No. 65

The majority Ayes affirmed the principle of a bicameral parliament (i.e., that the House of Lords should be retained in some form)[1]. There then followed a series of votes on the make-up of the House of Lords, and the proportion of those sitting in it who should be elected, appointed, or there on hereditary grounds.

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  • [1] http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2007-03-07b.1524.1
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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye no
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourabsent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no aye
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno aye
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)no aye
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)no aye
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no aye
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no aye
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no aye
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no aye
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no aye
Liz BlackmanErewashLab (minister)no aye
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no aye
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)no aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no aye
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno aye
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)no aye
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)no aye
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no aye
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)no aye
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no aye
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no aye
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no aye
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no aye
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no aye
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no aye
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)no aye
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no aye
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no aye
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no aye
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no aye
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)no aye
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no aye
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no aye
Angela EagleWallaseyLab (minister)no aye
Maria EagleLiverpool, GarstonLab (minister)no aye
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)no aye
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no aye
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)no aye
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no aye
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no aye
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno aye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no aye
Helen GoodmanBishop AucklandLab (minister)no aye
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no aye
Peter HainNeathLabno aye
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)no aye
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno aye
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no aye
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)no aye
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno aye
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)no aye
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no aye
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)no aye
Huw Irranca-DaviesOgmoreLab (minister)no aye
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no aye
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno aye
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)no aye
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no aye
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no aye
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no aye
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no aye
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no aye
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no aye
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no aye
Thomas McAvoyRutherglen and Hamilton WestLab (minister)no aye
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLabno aye
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)no aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno aye
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no aye
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)no aye
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no aye
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)no aye
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno aye
Laura MoffattCrawleyLabno aye
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no aye
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno aye
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no aye
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no aye
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no aye
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)no aye
Bill OlnerNuneatonLab (minister)no aye
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLab (minister)no aye
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no aye
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no aye
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no aye
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno aye
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLabno aye
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)no aye
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no aye
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no tellaye
Angela SmithSheffield, HillsboroughLab (minister)no aye
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no aye
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no aye
Phyllis StarkeyMilton Keynes South WestLab (minister)no aye
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no aye
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no aye
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)no aye
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no aye
Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLab (minister)no aye
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno aye
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no aye
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no aye
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no aye
David WrightTelfordLab (minister)no aye
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)no aye
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no aye
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent both
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye no
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye no
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 342 voted the same way, with 128 voting in opposite ways. There were 23 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 153 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
342
(342 + 128 + 0.2x153)
=
342
500.6
= 0.683 = 68.3 %.


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