Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 67 on 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : House of Lords Reform — Composition Option 4 (50 per Cent. Elected) — rejected - 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09 - Division No. 67

The majority Noes rejected the proposal that a reformed House of Lords should be composed of 50 per cent elected members and 50 per cent appointed members.[1]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye aye
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye aye
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye aye
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye aye
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye aye
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye aye
David TredinnickBosworthConaye aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye aye
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourabsent no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye tellaye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no no
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no no
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno no
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no no
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno no
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no no
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno no
Nick BrownNewcastle upon Tyne East and WallsendLab (minister)no no
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)no no
David CairnsInverclydeLabno no
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)no no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no no
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no no
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no no
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no no
Ann CoffeyStockportLabno no
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no no
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no no
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no no
Jim CunninghamCoventry SouthLabno no
Tony CunninghamWorkingtonLab (minister)no no
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)no no
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no no
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no no
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no no
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno no
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)no no
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)no no
Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)no no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no no
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno no
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)no no
Nia GriffithLlanelliLab (minister)no no
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no no
David HansonDelynLab (minister)no no
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno no
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no no
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no no
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)no no
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)no no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)no no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno no
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)no no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno no
Brian JenkinsTamworthLab (minister)no no
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)no no
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)no no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no no
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no no
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)no no
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no no
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLabno no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)no no
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no no
Tony LloydManchester CentralLab (minister)no no
Ian LucasWrexhamLab (minister)no no
Rob MarrisWolverhampton South WestLabno no
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no no
Thomas McAvoyRutherglen and Hamilton WestLab (minister)no no
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no no
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLabno no
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no no
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no no
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)no no
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no no
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no no
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)no no
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)no no
Chris MoleIpswichLab (minister)no no
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no no
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno no
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no no
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no no
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)no no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no no
Bill OlnerNuneatonLab (minister)no no
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no no
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no no
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLab (minister)no no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no no
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no no
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno no
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no no
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)no tellno
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLabno no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no no
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLabno no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no no
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)no no
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)no no
Dennis SkinnerBolsoverLab (minister)no no
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)no no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no no
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no no
John SpellarWarleyLab (minister)no no
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no no
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)no no
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no no
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no no
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabno no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no no
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)no no
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno tellno
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no no
Dave WattsSt Helens NorthLab (minister)tellno no
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no no
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no no
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLab (minister)no no
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLab (minister)no no
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)no both
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)no absent
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithBasildonLabno absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Phyllis StarkeyMilton Keynes South WestLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Tony BlairSedgefieldLababsent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 158 voted the same way, with 306 voting in opposite ways. There were 24 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 158 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
306
(306 + 158 + 0.2x158)
=
306
495.6
= 0.617 = 61.7 %.


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