Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 137 on 11 Jun 2007 at 21:53

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Opposition Day — [14th Allotted Day] — Carers - 11 Jun 2007 at 21:53 - Division No. 137

I beg to move,

That this House recognises the vital contribution that the UK's six million carers make to society; welcomes recent announcements on carers including the Government review of the National Strategy for Carers, the New Deal for Carers and the Treasury report 'Aiming high for disabled children: better support for families' as steps towards an improvement in recognition and support for carers; notes that 54 per cent. of carers have given up work and one in five carers feel forced to do so; recognises the impacts which caring responsibilities have on family incomes, relative poverty and the health of carers themselves; is deeply concerned that an estimated 175,000 young people are carers of adults with the consequent pressures on them; calls on the Government to reduce the bureaucracy of social care provision that puts so much pressure on carers; and asks the Government to bring forward proposals for simplifying the benefit system in order to provide better support for carers and to ensure that the review of the National Strategy for Carers has both short term and long term objectives to enhance support for carers and to respond to the vital role played by carers in society.

I beg to move, To leave out from "review" to the end of the Question and to add instead thereof:

"of the first ever National Strategy for carers, the New Deal for Carers and the Treasury report "Aiming high for disabled children: better support for families" as steps towards an improvement in recognition and support for carers; notes that the review of the National Strategy includes a far reaching consultation with carers and others to make recommendations for the short, medium and long-term; further welcomes the extra £25 million for short-term home-based respite care for carers and the extra £3 million towards establishing a national helpline for carers announced in 2007; congratulates the Government for introducing in 2007 the new Expert Carers Programme; further notes that the Pensions Bill currently before Parliament includes a package of reforms to recognise the contribution made by carers and ensure that they can build up better pension records; further notes that the right to request flexible working introduced by this Government will help carers better balance their work and caring benefits; and further welcomes the substantial improvements made to the benefits available to low income carers.'.

Question put, That the original words stand part of the Question:-

The House divided: Ayes 198, Noes 291.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jeff EnnisBarnsley East and MexboroughLabno absent
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)no absent
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye no
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 377 voted the same way, with 26 voting in opposite ways. There were 44 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 199 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
377
(377 + 26 + 0.2x199)
=
377
442.8
= 0.851 = 85.1 %.


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