Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 145 on 19 Jun 2007 at 19:45

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 12 — Impaired decision making - 19 Jun 2007 at 19:45 - Division No. 145

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

My speech will take a little longer than the Minister just took in eventually forcing herself to say that she supported the last amendment we discussed. I hope that she will take a little less time to reach the same denouement on new clause 12. It should come as no surprise to her, as it mirrors amendments tabled in the Lords which she promptly savaged in Committee on very poor grounds. I hope that she has reconsidered and consulted experts, and will admit the error of her ways by now agreeing to restore this rightful amendment to the Bill, whose provisions were originally added to it in the Lords.

It being two and a half hours after commencement of proceedings on the motion, Mr. Deputy Speaker put forthwith the Question already proposed from the C hair, pursuant to Order <[/i> 18 June ].

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 206, Noes 289.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)no absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)no absent
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLabno absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 386 voted the same way, with 23 voting in opposite ways. There were 43 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 194 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
386
(386 + 23 + 0.2x194)
=
386
447.8
= 0.862 = 86.2 %.


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