Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 181 on 12 Jul 2007 at 15:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 19 — power to award foundation degrees - 12 Jul 2007 at 15:15 - Division No. 181

I beg to move amendment No. 23, page 15, line 22, after 'England', insert 'or Wales'.

We move to one of the parts of the Bill that deals with the Principality of Wales. I see the new Under-Secretary of State for Wales on the Treasury Bench. I am sad to say that I saw off the last one, the hon. Member for Carmarthen, West and South Pembrokeshire (Nick Ainger), following the grilling that I gave him in Committee, but I am pleased to see that he is present and we look forward to hearing from him later, perhaps. He made a positive contribution, but despite that, now joins us in a Back-Bench capacity.

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 126, Noes 254.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)no absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)no absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no absent
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)no absent
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLabno absent
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)no absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Chris MoleIpswichLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 286 voted the same way, with 27 voting in opposite ways. There were 63 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 270 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
286
(286 + 27 + 0.2x270)
=
286
367
= 0.779 = 77.9 %.


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